Why It Is Dangerous To Associate With Jehovah’s Witnesses (Speech)

Knock, knock. “Hello, I’m stopping by briefly to share with you some good news. Many people feel under pressure because of the stressful times in which we live. Do you think God intended that we live this way? So many people are depressed. I bet you know somebody who is. I have this excellent magazine that discusses Help for Sufferers of Depression.”

Sound familiar? In this audience are people who have done the knocking and given a similar message to the person who opened the door. Or some of you have heard such a message from Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs). Certainly, the message doesn’t sound dangerous. Why be afraid of JWs? They don’t handle snakes, rip your heart out, or make you drink poisoned Kool Aid. They won’t ask you to be a suicide bomber either.

For the most part, Witnesses look and act okay. They frown on wild parties; illegal drugs and guns. They don’t steal, kill, smoke cigarettes or marijuana, and cursing is frowned upon. They have less health problems—no lung cancer from smoking, no AIDS.

The Witnesses call themselves a brotherhood and claim good association with like-minded people who obey God’s word. And they remove law-breakers or sinners from their midst.

All in all, they sound like pretty good associates. So how can associating with them be dangerous?

Do I Have the Right to Make Such an Accusation?

First of all, what right do I have to examine this religion, to call it dangerous?

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948 asserts the right of human beings to hold any faith or none; Ok, I held to Jehovah’s Witnesses faith for most of my life; I had that right. Now, I ascribe to no religious affiliation and I have that right.

OK, let’s look at that Declaration further: It says human beings have the right to change religions. Well, I did that too. I was born into a Catholic family and changed to Jehovah’s Witnesses when I was 14.

Now, here’s my favorite: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states each of us have the right to enjoy freedom of expression, which by any open-minded definition includes my freedom to agree or disagree with the tenets of any religion.

When I was part of JWs Writing Department during the time I lived and worked at the world headquarters of JWs in New York for over ten years, I prepared an article about the U. S. Bill of Rights. It appeared in the December 8, 1991 Awake! magazine and tens of millions of copies were distributed by JWs. The article discussed what exactly the Bill of Rights was; why it was needed, and what liberties it helped to preserve in the United States. My efforts writing the article turned out to be a labor of love as I saw that JWs were definers of freedom by testing the principles of religious freedom in the U.S Supreme Court.

I was proud of JWs struggle in the highest courts of the land for the freedom to exercise the courage of their conviction. “From 1919 through 1988, petitions and appeals in a total of 138 cases involving JWs were made to the U. S. Supreme Court. The decisions were favorable to JWs in 47 of the cases that the Court considered.”

In their short history, JWs challenged any law or ordinance that interfered with their religious activities, and through their litigation, helped set in place insulation for religious organizations from lawsuits. They had the lawful right to preach in unorthodox places using unorthodox methods. They won for themselves and all other religious groups, constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and worship. This amounted to almost complete protection under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution free exercise clause. That certainly is something to be pleased about.

What I’m going to say now will sound quite harsh, but my close association with this group gives me authority to say this: After having successfully defended and legally established their right to practice their religion however they saw fit, this once oppressed group went from being the oppressed to being the oppressor. They silence freedom of speech. They silence dissent. How? By using fear as the weapon! The fear of excommunication or disfellowshipping with its severe life-altering sanction, that of shunning by the whole community of JWs including relatives such as parents and adult children.

Actually, my life as a JW was pleasant. Of course, there were ups and downs because whenever there are so many people interacting together as there are in this group and then at their world headquarters where there were 4,000 people, there’s bound to be some friction. But all in all, I was a happy Witness. The major reason for that was because “ignorance was bliss.”

JWs Became the Oppressors

Witnesses hear and read a great deal about the positives of being a Witness at their meetings and literature. The leadership makes sure they don’t forget how fortunate they are to have the “Truth” that no other religion has. Since I have been guaranteed the most important of the freedoms JWs fought so hard for, freedom of expression, I’ll acquaint you with the harmful side of this organization and why I say they are now the oppressors.

Taking advantage of a Bible Study with JWs can be tempting to those who are curious to see what’s in the Bible, information they believe might answer life’s questions. Well, what folks are not aware of is that associating with them by accepting a home Bible Study could lead to losing family and friends or maybe even their life. I should know—I was a zealous Witness for 43 years. At the end of that association, I lost most of my family and all of my friends. Sometimes when someone loses family, they take their life. Further, thousands of JWs lose their lives every year by adhering to one particular teaching of JWs.

Belief Causes Harm

If I were to stop a number of people on the street and ask each one, “What do you know about JWs?” the reply would unfailingly be —“They don’t take blood transfusions.” This has been done.

The public knows refusing a needed blood transfusion can cause death or disability and that’s why JWs makes the news, especially if refusing blood involves a child. Witnesses primarily object to receiving blood transfusions on religious grounds – they believe that blood is sacred according to some ancient Bible texts which actually were talking about eating or drinking blood. Witnesses are also quick to highlight possible medical problems associated with transfusion.

The Witness attitude is, “If I lose my life for God it’s worth it. If I die now by obeying God’s law, in the future it means I’ll be resurrected and live in a perfect new world. However, it’s not likely I would die if I don’t take blood transfusions because in the past early transfusions were whole blood, but modern medical practice primarily uses only components or ‘fractions’ of the blood. And now we can have most blood components so there shouldn’t be a problem. Fractions are safe. Blood transfusions can transmit HIV or other diseases.” Is that really so?

Literally, thousands of Witnesses die each year when there is need for whole blood or some blood components that JWs don’t approve of. Witnesses are being misled into a false sense of security. In case of massive bleeding, by not accepting blood, Witnesses can and do die, and, conversely, by accepting certain blood clotting products, Witnesses can and do die. For instance, there’s a clotting fraction that’s given to those with hemophilia which Witnesses are now allowed to receive in cases of massive bleeding. However, studies are showing that this clotting product, when given to healthy people, can and is causing heart attacks and strokes.

Witnesses also assume they can’t get HIV if they take fractions. Fractions are blood and if a transfusion can transmit HIV, so can blood components which most often are made from many donations of blood that have been pooled and more difficult to test; however, the risk of contracting HIV from a blood transfusion is extremely low nowadays, something JWs are not informed of.

Although these so-called components or “fractions” are made from blood, Witness leaders tell followers that each fraction is a “minute” part of blood so it’s okay. The truth is that all of these “minute” fractions would equal a whole unit of blood if added together! Jehovah’s Witnesses are not told this fact. In brief, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ blood fraction policy is akin to not allowing a slice of pizza to be eaten. But it’s okay to eat the cheese, crust, tomato, salami, etc. separately.

Flip-Flops and Misrepresentation

Most Witnesses don’t know that from 1934 to 1945, the organization allowed blood transfusions. Then in 1945, the procedure was banned, and in 1961 its followers were told they would be excommunicated for taking a blood transfusion. Hemophiliac treatments went through a similar flip-flop in the 1970s. Likewise, a treatment called hemodilution was sinful in 1972, but allowed in 1983. The procedure entails the removal of blood from the patient immediately before an operation and simultaneous replacement with appropriate volume of special fluids. The removed blood is then re-infused after the procedure is completed.

Only through reading the Witnesses’ old literature, published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, you can see that the only constant in the blood policy is change. Many died following a blood policy that later changed. And the blood ban is still changing. One thing I found out when I researched this subject is that taking blood in the veins is in no way comparable to eating or drinking blood and simply put, it is drinking or eating animal blood that the Old Testament prohibited. If you were starving to death and put blood in your veins, you would still starve to death. It just doesn’t make sense to die for being obedient to a law that is not applicable to receiving a blood transfusion.

Witnesses are thoroughly misinformed about their religion’s blood policy. Adults should have the right to make a decision regarding medical care, but not based on misrepresentation and coercion, but by making an informed choice.

Coercion—What Coercion?

Often JW visitors, including JW elders who represent JWs Hospital Liaison Committee, visit the patient’s room and lurk outside in the hallways in an attempt to make sure there is no blood going into the room.

Did you know that JWs are encouraged to report on other JWs who break a medical doctrine such as the ban on blood? JWs will do this to attain status with both Jehovah and with peers. They will tattle-tale even if it breaks medical or legal confidentiality laws.

If a Witness accepts a blood transfusion, the policy of JWs now is not to directly disfellowship by announcement at the Kingdom Hall. Here’s the policy statement found in Watch Tower literature.

“If a baptized member of the faith willfully and without regret accepts blood transfusions, he indicates by his own actions that he no longer wishes to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The individual revokes his own membership by his own actions, rather than the congregation initiating this step.”

This represents a procedural change instituted in April 2000 in which the congregation no longer initiates the action to revoke membership in such cases. However, the end result is the same; the individual is no longer viewed as one of JWs because he no longer accepts and follows a core tenet of the faith.

The word disfellowship is not used, but the results are the same: To not be viewed as one of JWs means you will be shunned by all those you love who are Witnesses because this group will disfellowship anyone who questions the teachings of the organization or who stops worshipping the Witness way, or joins another church. Then the label “apostate” becomes attached to the former Witnesses reputation.

As a side note, I didn’t know that vaccinations were forbidden up until 1952, when Witness leaders reversed course. I became a JW in 1954 and no one told me about a ban on vaccinations. Now, virtually all JWs will accept a vaccination, and many are unaware that it could be derived from blood.

Organ transplants were favorable in the 1930s through the early 1960s, then demonized as cannibalistic in the late 1960s, only to be re-allowed in the 1980s. I was a JW when organ transplants were considered cannibalistic only to be re-allowed later. Why did I not question this? Because becoming a JW at age 14, when it was difficult to obtain information about the group, I had no idea how to critically evaluate anything, much less this organization’s tenets.

And, as time moved on, I knew that to think outside of the Witness mindset, I would be thinking independently, something that was a negative.

JWs Can Not Change Religion

Remember that July 2009 Awake! I showed you before? Well notice these words on page 29:

“No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.”

This statement is extraordinary because that’s not the way it is in the Witness organization. Members that no longer believe are forced to stay in the group otherwise they will lose family and friends.

JWs strictly shun the disfellowshipped and those who disassociate themselves. Also, JWs can be disfellowshipped for not following the shunning rules.

More Danger

There are other reasons beside the blood ban that makes it dangerous to associate with JWs:

  • The neutrality of JWs in time of war can lead to imprisonment or death
  • Refusal to salute the flag can lead to ostracism and bullying.
  • Non-observance of any holidays, religious or national: outcast & boredom
  • Being a martyr is not psychologically healthy
  • Higher education is a no, no. Young JWs clean houses, wash windows, etc. waiting for Armageddon. They suffer from poverty, disappointment, depression, and low self-esteem.

Yes, there are many reasons that it is dangerous to associate with JWs. However, if none of what I just said concerns you because you believe that JWs do what they do to please God and not themselves, keep listening.

Failure of Witness Message of Doom

Jehovah’s Witnesses are discouraged from doing extensive personal research into their modern-day history. Such action can cause a Witness to be labeled “apostate” and then be shunned.

Right now the Witnesses are getting press coverage because their world-wide conventions are announcing that soon the “end of the world” will take place. Do you know how long they have been saying this? The founder was C. T. Russell who began to publish Zion’s Watch Tower in 1879. He was a date-setter and looked to 1914 when the end of the present world as he knew it would happen. He said that Christ had returned invisibly in 1874. Russell died in 1916 and his successor, Joseph F. Rutherford, changed the doctrine and taught that Christ returned in 1914. Instead of the end of the world happening then, he said it was the “beginning of the time of the end.” The group pointed to 1925 as the end when “millions now living will never die” after Armageddon, of course. Then the date for the end was 1975 which they now deny they ever pointed to. Here’s flip-flop examples:

  • 1889: “In the coming 26 years, (1914) all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved.” Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. II, (1889)
  • 1908: “The battle of the great day of God Almighty which will end in AD 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present ruler ship is already commenced.”
  • 1914: “The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures.”
  • 1918: “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the apostle in Hebrews chapter 11, to the condition of human perfection.”
  • 1922: “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914.
  • 1923: “Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base its faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge.”
  • 1925: “The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year”
  • 1925: “It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated the thought that 1925 should see the end to the work”
  • 1926: “Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not say so.”
  • 1931: “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918, and 1925 which disappointment lasted for a time; and they also learned to quit fixing dates.”
  • 1968: “Why are you looking forward to 1975?”

From what I just read, it’s obvious that the Witness organization is not honest in its presentation of the “truth.” BTW, JWs are told what to believe on nearly everything—music, TV, movies. JWs are discouraged from reading the Bible without their own literature explaining it. Doubt and criticism regarding any doctrine taught by the Witnesses is seen as “ploy” that Satan uses to lead them into apostasy.

JWs Are a Cult

After hearing all of this, would you consider JWs a cult? Cults are everywhere. Good religious intentions can slide easily into taking away God-given freedoms. Then a cult is born. What is the definition of a cult? Some newer and accepted religions like JWs, Mormons, Scientology are being called cults by some.

The difference between a cult and a religion is not easy to define. Who fits the accepted criteria?

I read the following on the Internet, information that I didn’t have when I was an active JW:

A cult is a group of people who share a common belief. A cult, as it is commonly understood, is a highly rigid and usually strictly enforced total belief system. Almost always, it is led by an authoritarian leader who tolerates no dissent. Any teaching which does not respect human life fully cannot be consistent with belief in a God who created human life in His image.

When I was a JW I would have categorically denied that I was part of a cult because I didn’t know what really constituted one. I thought that cults demanded that their members wear strange clothes, different hair styles; lived in communes and are stupid and gullible and don’t believe Christian beliefs; that they had one charismatic leader. I thought it was simple to leave a cult anytime you wanted to.

Those were the standard definitions of cults back then and I said, “No,” that’s not me” as I went out in the door-to-door ministry to convert people to the “truth.” My husband and I converted over 80 people. I thought people joined cults, but they don’t. Actually cults recruit people and I was participating in a recruiting work when I went door-to-door. Yikes, I was dumb-founded when I realized that after I left JWs.

Yes, I was a recruiter and didn’t realize it. I appeared self-confident and sincere, just the way the lady was who converted me. She seemed knowledgeable. She was so happy and really displayed a ‘genuine’ interest in me, a kid. She was non-threatening and invited me to have a free Bible study. Guess what? I followed in her footsteps and behaved the same way with people I met.

I was showered with love and attention by JWs; I did the same thing to those interested in the Witness message. And sincere people are impressed with the Witnesses’ devotion, sense of community, and ‘one-of-a-kind’ message of hope and change.

Some Questions to see if JWs Fit the Criteria of a Cult

Is the leadership considered the supreme authority, a self-appointed authority, an individual or body of men who claim to have a special mission in life? Yes, the Governing Body (GB) – now 9 men, call themselves “The Faithful Slave” or other special terms. These special terms were used in a lecture by one of the GB about ninety-six times in thirty-five minutes instructing the audience to have faith in them. That’s nearly three times a minute.

Does the organization have double standards? Are members encouraged to be honest and confess all to the leaders but at the same time encouraged to deceive and manipulate outsiders? Yes. It’s called Theocratic Warfare and can include lying.

Does the organization have two purposes: recruit new members without regard for bettering the lives of their members? Yes. Members are told to wait until the new world when life will get better.

Does the group make social contributions? No, only unless it fits in with some sort of agenda. It just prints and distributes literature that JWs donate money for.

Is the leadership offering the only viable system for change that will solve life’s problems, denouncing all other systems? Yes.

Do the leaders expect absolute obedience? Yes.

Does the organization expect you to jeopardize your family relationships or isolate you from society in some way? Yes.

So it appears that JWs fit the definition of a cult. So be wary, if you believe in God, are lonely, insecure, idealistic, recently divorced, widowed, elderly or new to town you are at risk. Or are young and going through identity crisis or maybe a college student having trouble finding direction or friends, you are at risk if you accept a Bible Study with a JW not knowing you are associating with a group that is dangerous to your future happiness.

JWs look just like everybody else, and probably better than everybody else because it’s important to impress and attract people. One lady consented to a Bible Study with me because she was a hair stylist and she said I looked and dressed well and didn’t look like a religious fanatic.

They might not have just one single charismatic leader but they do have a body of men acting as one that govern the group.

The Witness Viewpoint

The Witnesses are convinced that ethically and morally, their leaders are, for the most part, and the members too, exemplary, above everyone else in the world. Most JWs believe there is little abuse/crime/dishonesty in their organization, even when presented with evidence that indicates otherwise. Abuse of woman and children by many devious Witness men are a fact, yet most Witnesses refuse to believe it.

To leave the organization is to fall into darkness and that’s why Witnesses will ask, “Where will we go to if we leave the organization?” The prevailing attitude fostered by Witness literature is that the whole world is evil and must be destroyed…soon.

Witnesses appear to be happy, successful, at peace, and united. It’s all a show though. They are typically depressed, lonely, have low self-esteem, are overly dependent on the organization, frustrated and confused. The reason for that topic in the Awake! magazine I showed you in the beginning of this lecture is because so many Witnesses suffer from depression. In many congregations, it is estimated that as many as half the women are taking anti-depressive medication. Why is that?

Because they believe they have no value, except to serve God through his organization. They only feel valuable when conforming to what the role model is as portrayed in Witness literature. Witnesses feel guilty that they don’t do enough for the “work,” as it is called. Witnesses are on a perpetual treadmill, trying to run faster and faster to gain approval. That’s why I call it a “performance religion.” In reality, organizational status and reputation is the most important thing to a JW. They say announcing God’s purpose is the most important thing, but it actually is secondary.

Critics Suffer

After a lifetime of service to an organization that we foolishly thought was God-directed, my husband and I exited the religion. I left in 1998 and he in 2002. I was excommunicated (disfellowshipped) in 2002 by JWs a few weeks before I appeared on NBC’s popular Dateline U.S. news program for “causing divisions” and this was before I had actually caused any divisions. The purpose of my disfellowshipping was so JWs, who saw or heard about the program, would not believe what I said, in that they are told disfellowshipped people are unrepentant sinners and not to be trusted or believed. However, I was disfellowshipped because of exposing the religion’s defective child sexual abuse policies which protected pedophiles rather than children, and not for committing some secret sin. My husband, a long-time elder, was disfellowshipped in July 2002, for siding with me. Along with disfellowshipping comes shunning, and so we are shunned by our family, which includes our son and our nine-year old grandson who we haven’t seen in nearly seven years, and also thousands of friends.

What attracts people to this religion? There are many reasons, but for most people, it is fear of what they do not have the power to control, so they elect to escape into mystical solutions such as offered by JWs. And fear is what keeps multitudes of members in after they discover the deception.

JWs do not have freedom of speech. If any Witness asks questions about the fraudulent and harmful policies of this group, they are disfellowshipped and shunned; consequently, this breaks up families. Tens of thousands of people want out of this group, but can’t get out because they don’t want to lose their families. Accordingly, they stay in and do what they are told because of the fear of shunning.

In Conclusion

You’re on the right track by coming here tonight to find out why it is dangerous to associate with JWs. Maybe this does not apply to you, but I like this clever remark of Will Rogers: “Even if you’re on the right track you’ll get run over if you just sit there.” Many JWs suspect that something isn’t right with their religion, but they just stay with it waiting and waiting for something to happen.

Rather than continue to wait for the end of the world and have their hopes dashed to pieces when it doesn’t come in their lifetime, they should do what JWs are taught not to do—hitch a ride with a world that is continuing to move on to make life better for all of society in the here and now. Life is too short to waste on JWs fantasies and dreams. If we love our neighbor as ourselves, we will help humanity, not hope for destruction of everybody not a JW. And if you want to help JWs when one calls at your door, mention what you have heard here tonight.

Yes, it’s difficult to get out of a cult. If you do, you lose your closest relationships, your cherished beliefs, and your whole way of life goes up in flames. More often than not, you end up with nothing.

However, if you choose to associate with JWs by becoming one of them, despite the dangers that you heard here tonight, understand when you do, you will give up your freedom of speech, freedom of choice, your family and friends, the community you belong to and perhaps even your life.

That choice is yours.


Why It Is Dangerous To Associate With Jehovah’s Witnesses (Speech) — 71 Comments

  1. I had friends who where Jahovah whitnesses i went to the Kingdom hall i wasn’t part of their religion but when I attended their meetings I felt uncomfortable with what i was reading it was more like scenes in a horror movie. Extremely unreal plus i had heard They where brain washed and it was a false religion a dangerous cult i was warned by family to stay away from it as it was dangerous to associate with a religion that was false ..My friends said They where honest didn’t vote that no crimes where ever commited in their religion yet I knew of many hidden Sexually abuse scandals in the religion that had been hidden or ignored by the watchtower. I read the magazines I read their bible but wasn’t taken in by Thrir fantasies world they where living in.I wasn’t going to belive Thrir complete and utter rubbish it was one big lie and none of what thry where practicing was real it is and always will be a false religion cult look at the dates in Thrir bible it changes Charles tate was crested it it is and always will be false it seems they have simply made it up As their are diffrent dates It seems to chsnge and alter All the time. It’s I’m sorry to say a load of garbage..To associate with any cult can Ruin your life ..I WILL NEVER JOINT THEIR RELIGION they shunn family members who dont comply with their religion ..In other words you dont follow their rules you can loose your mum or dad or your whole family Or your children..How can a Society that say they care about god Jahovah as they put it How if they seem normal descent kind peoole who dress normal who Have a lot of friends who work like most people Who have families look so perfect and who think they are superior better than you or i Who basicly are show offs Who Think they are absolutely perfect butter couldn’t melt in their mouths if they act like that you know it’s a false pretend act..As knowone is perfect And if they can abandon family members for a religion such as Jahovah I’m sorry but they are not Christians and never will be they are sick And pure evil who millions of people who are disfelowshipped each and every year By their own families because They love Jahovah more than they love you as a family member ..My advice is to be very careful before you consider joining a religion like that it most likely will ruin your entire life. NO BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS NO BIRTHDAYS OR CHRISTMAS OR EASTER OR VALENTINES DAY Only anniversaries ..They even tell you what you can do in bed with your husband..Your whole life is ruled by Jahovah you have no freedom You are controlled throughout your life unless you leave the religion your self or They shunn you…Stay away from them. I DIDN’T join because i was not going to be taken in by their false lies ..I read up about them I managed to say no but thousands Don’t find out first before they join..If your thinking of joining find out about their religion first go to a library do your home work Even if they are against it who cares your life is at stake So Find out anyway before you even think about joining them I’m glad i found out before hand and i refuse to join a false religion because i found out about it first

  2. I befriended a JW on a course a few years ago and my goodness it was a nightmare experience. His mother wouldn’t let me in their house because I wasn’t “one of them” and she told her son to tell me I’m not welcome. The two visits I made I spent in a cold garage and had to whisper when I spoke. The guy had no sense of humour at all and was blank when I said something funny. To make things worse he battered me because I revealed I had severe OCD and anxiety and because he thought I was gay. I never reported it because I was on his property (though invited). I was bombarded with over 150 texts that night with quotes from the JW bible. I never contacted him again and changed my number.
    I then met up with a new guy at work two years ago who revealed he was also a JW my heart sank and he also avoided me socially. I may be judgemental but I despise them and I never despise anyone.

    • Karl, I understand 100%. Personally I think you had a lucky escape despite the guy beating you up it could’ve been worse my friend. Best to avoid these delusional people. Oh and you’re right to feel the way you do.

      • Thanks Tony. Glad people like yourself understand. Like you said I’ve avoided them like a plague now. Thanks for replying. 😀

    • I know that JW are against gay people and might avoid them but I didn’t think they would beat up someone who was gay as they don’t believe in violence even towards gays also but why Brest up OCD people and why beat up against people with anxiety??

      Why were you beaten up for having OCD and anxiety issues ???

      I don’t understand!!!

      • Sorry for the late reply I was offline for a while. The point I was trying to convey is that he felt that people should have no psychological problems when they can have “clean” minds by believing the rubbish that he believes in.
        Also he saw me as a threat because I wasn’t in a relationship with anybody and he assumed I was interested in him so he got the wrong end of the stick and flipped. Now I admit that this could be plain homophobia but his rants were religious. I’m actually straight.

    • I agree with you totally. Growing up my friend in schools stepmom was a JW. She was forced into that religion. She was the most miserable and depressed girl I had ever seen. That was 25 years ago. Now she is married, IS NOT A JW, has children and a VERY HAPPY LIFE!!! And she believes in God!!!

  3. I’m trying to get my daughter away from them. I’ve been studying everything about them and it makese sick. I’m a Baptist but I have still have free will. Its breaking my heart that she doesn’t want to celebrate any holiday. Plus the lady that talks to her is telling her that I’m pagan and or Satan. I hope I have enough information to.show her what this cult really is.
    Thank you for writing this for all of us. God bless you.

    • Terri, I would urge you to check out: jwfacts.com It has a wealth of information from the JWs own literature that exposes them for the lying hypocritical control freaks that they are.

      • Thank you Mary. I have been researching every site possible. One piece.of information I found says: Our beliefs were.not completely in line with the Bible, So we used whatever translations that was available and formed our beliefs accordingly. We believe Gods kingdom is a real coherent, not just the condition of the heart. That came from the watchtower people. I have filled up a notebook with all of their disbeliefs and lies. Don’t any of these people see that when they die, they will not see the kingdom of God?

    • My granddaughter is 5 and her mom and my son are divorced. Her mom remarried and her new husbands family is JW. They are taking my granddaughter to these so called “meetings” and I am extremely frightened! I’ve seen what it did to a friend of mine growing up and I DO NOT want my sweet granddaughter to feel like that! My Dad is a Baptist minister and our family is in shock! Not that we feel she has to be Baptist, but she shouldn’t be “forced” into these “meetings” and go house to house with her step-grandmother “witnessing”!!! I’ve had them come to my house on several occasions and they always seem to bring a child as if they are “using” that child to get into your home! NOT MY GRANDDAUGHTER!!

      • you cant stop it all my grandsons are not allowed to see me because my daughter married a jw , they are strange people and i tryed foryears to stop it all it resulted in was me losing my daughter and my 4 grandsons
        your hands are tied unlesss uou kidnap her xxoxo

      • you cant stop it all my grandsons are not allowed to see me because my daughter married a jw , they are strange people and i tryed foryears to stop it all it resulted in was me losing my daughter and my 4 grandsons
        your hands are tied unlesss uou kidnap her xxoxo

  4. All you have shared in your article is true. Sad to admit. I left the Wt organization in the year 2000, not because I sinned, but because I began to do my own Biblical research and found several of their teachings incorrect. Especially their teaching on ‘who the other sheep are”… ( the scriptures are clear, they are simply the gentiles who are invited to join Christ’s followers) Another is their teaching on the blood covenant. Jesus died for all, but the Watchtower says, ‘not all”… this is contrary to scripture. ( 2 Cor 5:15, “that he died for all,”) And the blood covenant is for the forgiveness of sin; the Wt teaches the blood covenant is for just a few 144,000, yes the scriptures say, “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven” The number 144000 is a drop in a bucket compared to thousands of years of man’s existence.. so what they are actually saying all will not be forgiven of sin except a very small few. This does not say much for a forgiving God. ( 1 John 1:9) “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” No where in scripture have I found where God forgives only a few. I do not believe those 9 men were appointed by Christ to feed his sheep.. for he would not approve of them feeding error. Michael is not Jesus, the scriptures are clear that God was to appoint a man to sit on the throne of David, not the angel.Michael ( Hebrews 1:12-14, ” But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?” …… A JW judicial committee was formed against me because I shared my disagreement about their teachings. My friend called an elder and things moved along rather quickly.. even though I was born and raised in this religion, gave most of my life to it. So yes, Barbara, you are correct, this religion is a cult. We are admonished to follow in Christ’s footsteps, but the Watchtower gov body says, “keep in step with JW Org. There is a huge difference!

    • You are glad you made it out of JW trap.I wish I could get out but I am scared that I will loose everything if I do including my family and my two jobs because my bosses for both jobs are witnesses.I am the one who studied the Bible with JW first.I got babtized then my husband and two daughters.my two younger daughters are not babtized yet.I don’t want them to.i want them to grow up having a normal life with normal friends not only witnesses.i want them to be real.know that normal people make their own decisions, normal people make mistakes and learn from it, be forgiven but not shunned.

  5. Re blood transfusions what was the significance of 1934? The technique of transfusing blood successfully was mastered in the year 1916. With no guidance either way from the Watchtower Society J.W.’s would have been giving and receiving blood from 1916 to 1945. I’ve always wondered why, if blood transfusions are (apparently) such a big deal for Jehovah God, why didn’t He provide some “increased light” on this in 1916, or earlier? Why wait till 1945 to issue the ban by which time there must have been thousands of Witnesses who had either given or received blood all with His implied consent and certainly with His full knowledge!

    • Blood then became bottled and and sold also the second world war groups in other countries could have american blood.l personally believe it is possible the org invests in bio blood technologie or an invisible hand is profiting from JW rules such as this one.

  6. Great presentation Barbara. Clear, concise, and SO TRUE.
    One question please.
    In view of the fact that they (the Watchtower) are now officially in the real estate business (couldn’t bear the thought of all those MILLIONS in real estate commissions on the sale of the Brooklyn properties going into a realtor’s hands), COULD that leave them LEGALLY OPEN for law suits from former witnesses (or even witnesses) to sue the organization due to deciet, since the ‘brothers and sisters’ volunteering all these hundreds of thousands of hours in maintaining this real estate over the decades? They honestlyTHOUGHT they were doing this for a NON-PROFIT religious organization? Do U get my point?
    Does this new move (www.warchtowerbrooklynrealestate.com) open a ‘Pandora’s Box’ for them???

    • My thought exactly! They R NOW in the REAL ESTATE business & I HOPE the authorities go after them, but I think they have “covered their ——-“!

      • OMG! Just read the last paragraph on the main page of WT Brooklyn RE:

        “We invite qualified buyers to visit the individual property websites, sign a Confidentiality and Non-Disclosure Agreement, and learn more about the properties.”

        Who else but the WT would make a stipulation of signing a “Confidentiality and Non-Disclosure Agreement” BEFORE learning more about a property (like LIST PRICE, etc)… ?!?!?! Man, are they paranoid or WHAT!??!? LOL!!

        • they are secretive and have many many things to hide. With a nda they reasure them self nothing seen inside is going to be disclosure.

  7. I think there is a lot of Misguided people here that have created there own Cult , by definetion of there own personal issues..? If you can’t live up to the High standards of JWS then just get on with your life’s… If you can find a better represented Belief then good luck with that. What ever makes you feel better.aboit yourselve get on with it. If they arnt killing., raping , extorting, people like maniy belives, then worry about your own
    Or maybe you should get.imto Politics and see.what great difference you will make . live life ,to the Full while you can , eat drink and be Merry…..

    • I don’t believe Barbara is lying in regard to her doing some of the writing. Nevertheless, she has enough “information” onThe Boys from Brooklyn that that point would B irrelevant anyways° WAKE UP man!

      • That’s only because you are totally ignorant on the subject . You’d believe anything she says . You probably still believe jws don’t believe in Jesus

          • Totally ignorant on the subject? An I take it U R completely “informed”. correct? Notice the quotation marks! Quotation marks can also B implemented when the word is meant to say something other than the reader is used to. That was the reason, same reason I incl quotation marks on informed. IF U R a witness, then being on this site is not recommended by the society, to say the jeast. And think of it Ms. Jody, IF Barbara IS lying, then the society could take legal action against her because she is claiming to the public she di something that she did not engage in. The society would B after her faster than they deduct contributions from the credit cards of “fleeced sheep, and opening hedge fund accounts on offshore bank accounts WITHOUT informing the sheep. All $$$ going to the kingdom work is the same old, hackneyed line. Wake UP man. ”
            None so blind as those who will not see.”

        • But we do know you do not believe jehovah lives on the star Alcyone in the Pleiades constellation anymore. You see he left watchtower’s reporting location, in 1954 and didn’t leave a forwarding address. At least it wasn’t ‘channeled’ yet. You know like spirit mediums do? It’s condemned in both testaments? Yeah that command. But that’s okay you go on believing. Maybe one day you’ll be the lucky one to get the new address.

  8. This site is created by an upset person who may have received discipline in a GODLY way for something against Jehovah’s will and not the brothers and sisters of the organization. It’s amazing how people will go against anything they really know nothing about. You say the JWs are a cult but you can leave anytime you get ready. Your leaving doesn’t affect a human being but GOD. You are mad because we try sincerely, wholeheartedly and whole souled to follow GODs commandments in the Bible word for word but remember people didn’t listen to Noah and look what that got them. There are many who did not obey Jehovah and lost their lives. Just as their are many who followed his commands and were blessed beyond measure like Job. I was disfellowshipped for 18 years then came back and left again for 4 yrs and was welcome backed again. Others have left and come back. All I can say is continue to listen too and follow bitter idiots. Try having your own minds and do your own research. Millions of people across the US and in so many countries are JWs and doing the work they were commissioned to do by our lord and savior Jesus who did the same thing. He set the example. Enjoy life as you know it to be now. GOD is not one to be mocked. BEWARE Jesus said at Matthews 28:19, 20 (19) Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

    Just in case you don’t believe Jehovah is GOD’s name – “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

    Oh by the way, I am working on my degree. 🙂

    • Thank you very much Egbert. Appreciate your insightful rant. By the way writing the incorrect attributive adjective ‘your’ in your 2nd sentence instead of the correct contraction ‘you’re’, shows U might need some schooling as well
      . How did U know I wear panies?

  9. I know U probably mean well, but U address none of the serious issues that the organization has now been exposed for. Pedophilia that has been ‘swept uner the rug’ for decades to the great harm of thousands of young witnesses whose lives have been forever scarred ALL in the name of ‘bringing no reproach on the organiztion’! If this organization can B summed up in TWO words, it would be: COVER- UP! Pedophilia, finance is a HUGE cover-up; particularly with the sale of the Brooklyn complex and the non-disclosure of the amount the buildings were sold for & where in the hell did all these hundreds of millions of $$$ go! ALL this real estate, built with FREE LABOR and the MIGHTY 7 (governing body) get EVERY PENNY while those who slaved on those buildings (naively thinking all done for God) never got (or get a dime) EVEN if those are now in need. They DON’T CARE!!!

  10. OK my problem with this article. You have no right to judge this religion or any other article. If someone does choose to be a Jehovah’s Witness, their family should not shun them. You talked about us the JW congregation shunning people, which in fact we do not do. We reach out to them and try to help them. You talk about a new-coming Witness being shunned by their family because of their change in religion. That is hypocritical. Then you go on about blood transfusions. We seek the best possible medical care for ourselves and our families. When we have health problems, we go to doctors who have skill in providing medical and surgical care without blood. We appreciate advancements that have been made in the medical field. In fact, bloodless treatments developed to help Witness patients are now being used to benefit all in the community. In many countries, any patient can now choose to avoid blood-transfusion risks, such as blood-borne diseases, immune-system reactions, and human errors. Your claim of Witnesses dying from refusing blood transplant is completely unfounded. Surgeons regularly perform such complex procedures as heart operations, orthopedic surgery, and organ transplants without the use of blood transfusions. * Patients, including children, who do not receive transfusions usually fare as well as or better than those who do accept transfusions. * In any case, no one can say for certain that a patient will die because of refusing blood or will live because of accepting it. Our reasoning for not accepting it is more a religious matter.Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life. You claim us as cults, Be trust me, we are not a very small group. You tell us our religion is wrong but we can always turn the tables and say the same. On the matter of us saying “The end is near” We say this in Jehovah’s term. We don’t know how time in Heaven is, and many sign of the end is coming true. The other claims made are invalid, due to the lack of legitimate objections. Bullying for not worshiping a flag is cause by your, religion. So, just cause you don’t like our customs you can point and laugh at us? We do not celebrate holidays because of the greed and the false purpose of the holidays, and outcast and boredom is not a legit reasoning to this, which is again cause by your congregation. We are not martyrs, for we do not suffer those who do not do what Jehovah wishes. I will stop there, cause i feel no need to go in further detail of how ridiculous this article is. Overall this article has no legit reasoning’s of why the JW congregation are bad people, which I believe we are not. Most of the consequences are from your actions of bullying and out casting. I’m not here to tell you your religion is wrong, but you were downing mine, and you had no legit reasoning’s making this a worthless article.

    • Everything the article says is completly true, sad but very very true. I’ve been there for years and can confirm the content. Run for your life before entering this destructive cult, and for those that are ignorant because they have not experienced yet the shunning try to follow the GB otherwise you will feel the ostracism.

    • Dear Lexie Young, I would love to hear what you feel when you will be shunned by your parents or friends because you questioned one of the doctrines. Because you cannot have doubts and if you are intelligent and do have another opinion on the key doctrine than you will have to be disfellowschipped if you don’t change your mind. You are not supose to think for your self. You are so young you could be my grand child and I see you do not know much that is why you could say all these, let’s say it carefully, inacurate things about the JW. I know the organisation for almost 40 year and have seen too many families divided and destroyed by the WT. So please do your homework thoroughly and we will talk again when you are less defensive and more objective towards the organisation. And I do hope you will never be shunned by your family and or your friends because many of the shunned ones have not survived the ostracism. Good luck with your scrutiny.

    • People have been saying “The End Is Near” for over 100 years! Only God knows when that will be. We should trust in God, read the Bible and pray!

  11. Lexie, I know U mean well, but your lack of articulation in addressing the issues indicate that you have absolutely no idea what U R talking about & your points (supposedly made in your imagination) show a total lack of understanding of the serious issues facing this religion.
    I would guess U R in junior high or high school & this would explain to some extent your ‘lack of grasp’ of the crises now facing this religion.
    I congratulate U on your attemp to ‘cast light’ on the issue, but your arguments fall short.
    I encourage U to go to college after graduating, or if U have arready graduated high school, by all means go to university.
    All the best.

  12. I stumbled upon this article and probably shouldn’t have given it a second look, but I did. The person who wrote this article went to great lengths to destroy the credibility of Jehovah’s witnesses. It’s obvious she is very bitter and seeking attention and yes, she is an apostate, which really means that when you leave the truth or the congregation, then you purposely and vindictively go out and seek to destroy the Jehovah’s Witnesses and take as many down with you as you can. Surely after 43 years in the truth, then she didn’t forget that humans are supposed to love one another, not tear each other down or bash one another-no matter who you are. Ephesians 4:29 says: “Let a rotten word not come out of your mouth, but only what is good for building up.” If she was in the truth that long and left, then there is something she is not telling people. If she chooses to not be a Jehovah’s Witness, she should move on with her life or hopefully one day return to Jehovah, which she may do one day. Many people who leave the faith and criticize it do eventually return because it is the truth. There is no alternative to truth. Before tearing down, let us remember that LOVE is essential according to Jehovah. In fact, HE commands it. She says she was a witness for many years, but yet in her article, she only lists what JW’s do or don’t do. She doesn’t elaborate on the reasons why or offer to show the scriptures that she learned from the Bible that confirms JW beliefs and that confirmed her beliefs for 43 years. What happens is that when people draw away from Jehovah, he withdraws his Holy Spirit away from them. They become blinded in a sense. They can recall what JW’s don’t believe in or what they do believe in, but it’s as if they forget WHY. They forget principles. They forget commandments. They don’t care anymore about what the Bible says to do or not to do. They want to live a life of freedom-freedom from rules or commandments of God. Do whatever they want. Sound familiar? Guess who else believed this? Remember how Satan wanted independence? Remember how he thought he could rule better than Jehovah? He didn’t want to follow the rules. What people fail to realize is that these rules protect us. For example: no immoral sex protects us from diseases. This blog mentions that the ‘leaders in our congregation expect total obedience. This is simply not true nor possible. Nobody can be obedient at all times because we are imperfect humans. However, we cannot PRACTICE or habitually commit serious sins (without repentance) WHY? Because God tells us plainly in his word ‘that those practicing sin will not inherit the Kingdom’. WE want to make sure that our elders are helping us to be obedient so that we can be declared righteous to God.Though we may sometimes fail because we are imperfect in the flesh, we still must strive to be obedient. If the person leading me told me I can do whatever I wanted or if I never was held accountable, then I would know that they themselves are not following God’s word. Romans 6:16 says: Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey, either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness? When God tells us not to murder that’s what he means. When God tells us not to commit fleshly desires. That is what he means. When he says that we shouldn’t tear down one another, that is what he means, when he tells us to read our bibles every day that is what he means. These things aren’t optional. Jehovah’s Witnesses know that. The elders in the congregation want to make sure that God’s commandments are being followed wholeheartedly without hypocrisy because if there are horrible sins being committed within the congregation, then it could bring dishonor to Jehovah and it could influence others to follow their path. Just like the person who wrote this article. She is trying to get others to follow her path. I’ve seen this before. A person learns valuable truths that the world doesn’t know. They quit these harmful practices only to return back to them once they leave the congregation as if they never learned them at all. They no longer have that Holy Spirit revealing insight. Their hearts have become hardened, bitter, and vindictive, some even just hurt because of their own pride. Jehovah’s Witnesses have an extensive knowledge of the Bible which is given to them by Holy Spirit. There is a deeper understanding that is given to them that the rest of the world is unfamiliar with because most do not truly read/study their bibles, or they simply close their ears when we show up at their door to share this lifesaving information. What about disfellowshipping? Here is only of MANY, scriptures related to that. Leviticus 18:29 states : “If anyone does any of these detestable things, all those doing them must be cut off from among their people.” So to all those blog readers…don’t believe everything you read. Find out for yourself. Dig. Research. There’s so much you don’t know about God or the Bible. Let us help you!

    • What about your leaders buying stocks in war weapons, Walt Disney, and many many more did you do your research? Time Warner, I was shocked! How can you jw’s follow men that are using all your hard earned money for their gain? Think!!

  13. I would like to make a remark on the title of the article, it is not dangerous to associate with Jehovah’s witnesses, I know a few very kind and lovely (my mother is one of them) but you should never become one of them because if you would like to change your opinion you will be disfellowschipped and shunned by the other JW.

  14. I agree with some of the injustice mentioned. It’s infantile though to believe a true religion is free from corruption. Corruption exists everywhere. Claiming all Jehovah’s Witnesses are part of a cult is as equally false stating all Catholics support child molestation. I understand HUGE injustices exist in the organization as my family and I were victims. People need to think deeper and ponder, is this really what Jehovah’s organization teaches or is this an imperfect person’s flawed judgment ? It’s essential that people don’t allow the imperfection of others to generalize that the religion as a whole operates this way. For critically pointing out flaws in Jehovah’s organization, it’s quite sad that some have allowed flawed induviduals to cause them to stop serving Jehovah. One needs to be thick skinned as a witness and differentiate if someone is imposing their own opinions or if it’s truly God’s Word. If there are no biblical truths backing these silly so called witnesses up, why allow them to cause you stop serving Jehovah? Badness exists everywhere, Jehovah sees all things and will resolve it in his own due time. Just because injustice exists in Jehovah’s organization too, it doesn’t mean that the biblical teachings are false or that all witnessses are part of a cult. It’s equally as ignorant to make those assumptions just as you point out how all witnesses belong to a cult.

  15. Using ‘imperfect men’ is one thing but secret off shore bank accounts and hiding (for example) over 1,000 pedophilia cases JUST in Australia over the last 50 years. THINK of all those children; who are now adults and how much damage was inflicted upon them all in the name of ‘not to bring reproach on GodÄs organization’. The Boys from Brooklyn have a lot on their ‘unspiritual’ plate to answer for. Oh, nd how is it there is not an outcry from the rank & file over the fact that they now have set up a profit making real estate business in Brooklyn (to save from handing over real estate sales commmissions to real estate agencies handling of the sale of their buildings in Brookly. http://www.watchtowerrealestate.com THESE guys have it ALL covered & the $$$ flows only ONE way; to THEM!

    • VERY understandable U say? Of course it is. I would respectfully reply that YOU are the ‘blind’ one. I know what it is having BLINDERS on for years & justifying everything we received from The Boys in Brooklyn. Their cover is BLOWN!!! Downscaling on every front & here in Germany OLDER couples being let go from Bethel (many thinking they were 2 B there till the ‘end’) and guess what? Many have to now go on German welfare for support. The society pays them zero. More than a few have becaome physically ill over the schock. We know of two couples. Such accounts R NEVER in print. REMEMBER , the $$$ flows ONLY ONE way; to THEM. The ‘spiritual’ Titanic is sinking & U R too ‘taken’ by the ‘music’ to realize the dangerr. All the best!

      • George, that’s whats so wonderful about Jehovah. He gave us freedom of choice, to obey his laws or not. He wouldn’t want it any other way. Hebrews 8:10.“‘For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel “after those days”,’ says Jehovah. ‘I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people”. All the best to you George and I truly mean it.

        • IF U have no other defense than just throwing out scriptures, well then, I really do feel sorry 4 U. NO chistian ‘group’ in the Bible had massive real estate holdings, a real estate company, and off-shore bank accounts! NONE! The WORST thing in my eyes… NO transparency!!! All the best 2 U 2, but PLEASE (4 your sake) do what Dorothy did (her dog really) and DON’T B afraid to pull back the curtain because U just MIGHT B schocked!

  16. since 2011 the WT real estate have sold aprox 22 buildings and made a roug 1,3 billions of dollars. The most of them (if not all of them) where sold to the son in law of Donald Trump, Jared Kushner. http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/39/33/dtg-kushner-watchtower-deal-2016-08-12-bk.html
    If they made so much money, how come the WT is still asking for more donations from the vast majority poor witnesses? The WT owns already all the kingdom halls all over the world. And the most intriguing part, why are the JW’s still covering the WT’s as* ?

    • Joseph, Have you ever been to a Hall build? It’s amazing. All volunteers coming from miles around, helping one another. Carpenters, electricians, brick layers,sheet rockers, landscapers. They set up these large food tents for people to cook in and feed the workers. All in harmony. So you ask, Why are JW’s still covering the WT’S? Because it’s the love they have for Jehovah their God. And they also know that doing this is helping to accomplish his will on earth. Although no one can actually enrich Jehovah, who owns all things (1Ch 29:14-17), contributing is a privilege that affords the worshiper opportunity to display his love for Jehovah.

      • Contributing IS a privelege, BUT so is ACCOUNTABILITY!!! OFF-shore bank accounts, setting up a PROFIT making real estate business http://www.watchtowerbrooklynrealestte.com and hundreds of millions of $$$ with NO transparency as to where it goes except for this hackneyed explanation: to the kingdom preaching work. It is falling apart 4 them though & I believe there is a real ‘rush’ now to stash as much of the $$$ as possible. NOTHING wrong with the normal witness-they have been DUPED!!! However, there IS hope. MORE & more R waking up!

        • Ok George, Last I heard Kingdom Halls cost money to build( ours around $175,000 U.S., Material and land only). Go head George, you like to look things up. Go find out how many they build in a year. I haven’t heard if anyone is donating the paper and the ink that it takes to print over 37 Million Watchtowers a MONTH. And that’s just ONE magazine, They also have the Awake and countless books they publish MONTHLY. DUPED? Come on George You forget, We wouldn’t be doing this if we didn’t WANT TO. And Falling apart? Really George? The organization is growing faster then ever. AND “stash as much money as possible” FOR WHAT? They drive no big fancy cars or live in some Mansion. And they eat the same food as the helpers. And another thing, WHY wouldn’t they set up a real estate company?? Real estate Company’s charge up to 10% of the total cost of the sell here in the U.S. That savings could be well spent paying for more kingdom halls. You can call it whatever you want , but I call it being SMART.

      • It is amazing, I know, I’ve been there many many years. But there are two sides of this story, that is why it is so difficult to see clear what the WT is doing to his fellowships. One is of joy and one is of darkness if you think what they do to disfellowshiped ones. You have to admit that is horrible cruel.

        • Joseph its also heartbreaking. My fleshly brother was DF, My niece and nephew are DF. These things bring great heartache to all. I know first hand. But its not like they didn’t know what the circumstances would be if they continued their way. So, they had a choice. And they chose. I just hope they remember that Jehovah did not leave them, they left Jehovah. And I hope that they remember Jehovah will always be there for them. Luke 17:1-4 17 ”Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come!  It would be of more advantage to him if a millstone were suspended from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones.  Pay attention to yourselves. If your brother commits a sin give him a rebuke, and if he repents forgive him.  Even if he sins seven times a day against you and he comes back to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him”.

          • Levi, If you are so devoted you certainly would not be on this site and others. (Yes you know your scouring other Apostate sites) You know they would at the least reprove you if you were to tell the Elders would they not. So you must have doubt and it is good you are here. You will eventually hear/read someones words and it will awaken you and open your eyes and you wont be so gung ho on the preaching. Everything you are trying to preach has been heard and digested by those hear many times over thier years in the Hall and yet I and others have reached a different conclusion. Please keep reading post. It will be good for you in the end.

          • Homophobic, humourless, boring, miserable, brainwashed, self-righteous, arrogant, judgemental parasite. :@

  17. Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts. I grew up with my mum who was a JW. Even though I never got baptised, l was active in the organisation. I no longer attend their meetings though.

    Honestly I sometimes had doubts in my mind about whether the organisation was directed by Jehovah God’s Holy Spirit. Especially considering their changed doctrines, failed-end-of the world dates and more recently child abuse accusations and so on.

    Moses was chosen by God to lead the Israelites. And there was never an instance where Moses gave misleading or false information to the Israelites. Thus confirming that Moses was chosen by God the Almighty to lead the Israelites.

    What about the organisation of the JWS? ??

    Why do they give false and misleading information to their followers if they were really being led by God’s Holy Spirit ?

    Most importantly, where or which religious organisation do we turn to if the JWs are wrong?

    As I reader of the Bible, I understand that God always saved obedient mankind in groups or together as a unit,as was the case of Noah and Lot.

    I also do believe that unrepentant sinners are displeasing to God and that He will one day destroy them.

    So where is the safe haven? If not JWs, then who? Where do we run to?

    This is because it’s quite dangerous out in the world; greed, selfishness, cruelty, love for money etc is rampant in the world.

    Any ideas.

    This question keeps me awake at night; where do we run to??????

    • Hi Bay zee, First, their changing doctrines. Is this a bad thing? Not at all. For example, In the 20’s they celebrated Christmas at Bethel. Once they came to realize that it had pagan roots, they stopped. They changed. Now Jehovah always knew it had pagan origins. But He gave them “Food” at the proper time. (Math. 24:45) So how do you think Jehovah would have felt once the Bible Students (what JW’s were once called)found out and Didn’t change? Jeremiah 7:23 “Obey my voice, and I will become your God, and you will become my people. You must walk in all the way that I command, so that it may go well with you”. So when new light is revealed by Jehovah’s Holy spirit, a change must take place. AND if JW’s didn’t, they would be no different then any other christian religion today.

      Also Bay zee ask yourself who else in this world is preaching the “Good News of Gods Kingdom”? Quote, “The Watchtower magazine has a circulation of about 37 million each month worldwide. This makes the Watchtower the largest circulated Magazine in the world”. Jesus himself said at Matthew 24:14 ” And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. You said “So where is the safe haven? If not JWs, then who? Psalms 29:11 “Jehovah will give strength to his people. Jehovah will bless his people with peace”. How else would they , JW’s , be able to accomplish Jehovah’s will, World Wide, If it wasn’t for the guidance of his holy spirit? They couldn’t.

      • Levi you might want to cut that number down ALOT on publications. I can attest that not only I but a great many JWs have STACKS and STACKS of WT and Awakes just piled up in a box. Never saw the light of day much less circulated. And I just can’t imagine a God that knows the beginning and end would have to change his mind so many times (New Light) especially on what really amount to trivial things when looking at the Big picture.Smoking-Pagan activities-Blood-ETc. Seems he could have set those guidelines out pretty easily and concerned himself with more pressing understandings for the Saving of man.

  18. I became a JW in 1997 after meeting my wife a life long second gen JW. Her first husband committed suicide and left her with a 6 and 8 year old. I married and fully adopted them and had a third child with her. I have always been a Highly critical thinker and at first did all the things the JWs did and moved up to gain responsibility in the ORG. I love my family and have always told my children that I love them UNCONDITIONALLY, I have hammered that into them in hopes that it would offset some of the brainwashing they were taught. I rejoiced when they stopped the home Bible study groups and again when they cut back the meeting times.I am in my 50s and have slowly curtailed my involvement in all things JW. But keep just enough semblance of affiliation to avoid her family and now my grandchildren to associate. I have never made any real friends in the org as I have been able to see through them. I have no problem functioning in the real “wordly” world, I was 32 when I came into contact with JWs and since i grew up a military brat and my own family has never been very religious. I easily make friends outside the JWs. Thier DFing keeps me from fully going rouge.So like MANY JWs I lead a double life. YES many do! I will continue to fade and put distance there. I feel for my wife as it is very true about the Low self esteem that seems to prevail within the group because of what their teachings inculcate n their members (My wife!) and especially for lifelong members.Yes you can participate and raise your hand to answer but never do you get to question the WT or Awake. Although I have sat their in the meeting fantasizing at the meeting how it would go if after calling on me I ASKED a question about the paragraph instead of regurgitating the answer given me.:)

    Thank you Barbra for your forum to put my thoughts out to others.

    • In but Out, Why do You assume so many things that I do? You have no clue about who I am. But I understand, a lot of that goes on around here. “Scouring Apostate site”? Don’t have to , they all have the same misconceptions. Having doubts? Of course not, places like these confirm my belief even more about Jehovah and his word the Bible. But true, these places are not for those of weak faith. About the 37 Mil , watchtower mags. it was a quote from answers.com. Reason I brought it up was to make a point of the cost of the printing, guess you didn’t catch that. And it doesn’t matter where you put them, they are still printing them.
      Out,.. you are right about God not changing his mind. Last I read in the Bible, God does have a purpose for mankind. And that is not going to change. That’s , of course, if you believe in God.
      It is good to hear you love your family, a wonderful thing for sure. And children are a true blessing from Jehovah.
      We have been given the right to chose what is right or wrong. Jehovah would want it no other way. May we look into our hearts and make that right choice, not just for us, but for everyone. We may be able to fool man, but never Jehovah.

      • Levi, You are very correct that NO ONE is fooling Jehovah, I will say that I was able to draw close to Jehovah in ways no other religion would have or could have shown me. I do not want to displease him in anyway or fashion. As for the Gov. Body I just have to feel that my possible displeasing of them does not constitute displeasing Jah. I know I feel that a direct relationship with him and his son Jesus is what will show my love and devotion to him. And you must know that those imperfect men and women within the congregation do have the so called clicks that I feel in itself stumble those that have faith that may be in a fragile state which goes against the doctrine of Jah. I have always encouraged my children’s desire to love him and live accordingly. My oldest is a Single Brother Grad and twice went to Pioneering school as my daughter also has. He serves were he was sent to help support and congregation in need.For the last three years now. I also encouraged his Collage schooling in which he obtained his BS in Comp. Science while also in full time Service. This allows him to work from wherever he is assigned to earn an above average income working from home (as long as internet is available.) I have seen and experienced and lot in my time serving also. You must also see as I do that seek an open mind on information is not Satan bait to those that look at answers to question but are not gullible or you would not be opening yourself to it by reading on sites such as this. I do not see this as a weakness.But a way that enforces my convictions. I do feel the GB exceeds its role in being the “conduit” to Jehovah God. And by the GIFt of free will being told to adhere to the overly strict guidelines/commands given by the GB which in itself goes against Gods freewill. I feel that Love of God by choice just as love from my children by choice not by punishment is True love and is much more worthy Love.If that makes sense.
        I was happy to come to the understanding that Fear of God was not the fear of punishment ( Fire and brimstone crap) but like my children’s “fear” of making their Mother and I unhappy not fear of being spanked or punished. Much more loving in nature.

        • In-But-Out, I can respect what you say very much, I can see your beliefs are genuin yours and not because the GB say how you should believe. You showed me something I did not see before so clear; believing in God is something you oght to do in solitude, you should create a relationship with God, not imposing it to others. There is something weird in the gathering every week in the kingdom hall, this repetition kills all the entousiasm and is needless. In order to create a deeper understanding and love for God one must spend time alone and in silence to be able to hear God without the interverence of the omnipresent Organisation.Please forgive my bad English, it is not my mother thongue.

          • Joseph, Thank you. I do not know the extent of you time with the JWs but am glad I was able to help even one person think for themselves. You are right in that you are worn down with the meeting -service – Society Literature study. Although they “Encourage you to study the Bible,try to use a Chess game clock and see just how much time you spend on the Bible and then on their material. Not the ratio you would have believed. No worry on you English, I really have a pet peeve with the forum language police always hijacking a persons comment over spelling & grammar.. As bad as the political hijacking in other forums. I understand your thoughts just fine. An analogy I recently heard and clicked with me is this: Take the new Supreme Court Nominee and the US Constitution. ” Orientalists seek one of two alternative sources of meaning: The original intent theory, which holds that interpretation of a written constitution is consistent with what was meant by those who drafted it in the time period in which it was written.” In other words what their word in that time period meant, not what they have come to mean today. Same as the original Bible text/Scrolls. What the mindset of the writers of the time not the “Interpretation of those rewriting/preaching it today think those words mean now.” I am not a Biblical Scholar but I can research thanks to the Internet the original writings of Hebrew and Greek and conclude the meaning of the time.

        • Out, You said “Love of God by choice” this is what Jehovah wants too. He is not going to make anyone “have” to serve him. My father wasn’t a JW. But he always supported us, He even came to the meetings with us because he knew we wanted him to and being the loving father he was, he did. He got along with most brothers, there was a few dandys but your going to get that in every congregation. I think you can relate.
          Out, The message JW’s preach, its good. That’s why Jesus called it the “Good News of Gods Kingdom” Relief for mankind, living in a paradise earth just as God intended. But You know all that. We can not let some of these, So Called Elders, take that from us. You know Satan is going to try any means he can to draw us away from Jehovah. And by him getting Elders to lie, do wicked things and then cover them up? Oh My, look how well that has worked for him. I care about people, and when I hear about things like this, it makes me sick.I hate it. Because I know good people are losing their Faith.
          Enough preaching, like you said, everyone has heard it before.
          Keep reading your Bible, That will always be true.

  19. Can any Veteran JW’s answer this simple math question? It is always said from the podium and literature that it must be preached to all corners of the earth so that all may have the opportunity to hear Jehovah’s words that they might be saved before the end shall come. So unless the world stops reproducing HOW will ALL ever hear his words to bring about the end? It is a perpetual cycle that has no end. Yes children are reliant upon their parents faith but there are everyday new ones going from child to adult rendering this as unworkable does it not? Just a “hings that make you go huh” statement. Flaming not needed.

  20. JW’s call themselves “Christians” yet they don’t believe in “Christ”; the blood referred to in the Holy Bible was not human blood as that would make us cannibals, it is animal blood which is being referred to; The Holy Bible has been taken out of context and changed to the JW version “NWT”; This religion was created in the late 1800s not during the time of Jesus so the scriptures being referred to are ancient and not translated into the NWT. Seems to be a group of people sitting around and waiting for the world to end, that’s quite sad and depressing, being told what they can and cannot think, basically mind controleed. Life is for living not for waiting around to witness the end of the world. Just saying ……

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